Nous sommes mariés pour le "meilleur" et pour le "pire" ... il y aurait quand même lieu a un conjoint de se poser de sérieuses questions en apprenant de tels monstruosités de la part de l'autre !!!

Rictrude a écrit :1) Ainsi, selon vous, une femme dont le mari se rend coupable de pédophilie devrait être considérée en partie responsable de ces crimes ?

Rictrude a écrit :2) Pourquoi un prêtre qui se découvre des tendances pédophiles devrait-il quitter le sacerdoce ? Ce qui est essentiel, en revanche, c'est qu'il s'assure de ne jamais être en contact avec des enfants.

JustineF a écrit :Merci pour ce travail d'investigation édifiant. Effectivement, il semblent que toutes les religions soient en cause. Ayons une pensée pour leurs victimes.

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Epsilon a écrit :

Teano a écrit :Ben oui, comme ça, on pourra toujours dire que s'il est pédophile, c'est la faute à sa bonne femme...

Je ne sais pas si ça sera le cas ... mais au "moins" il ne sera plus le seul responsable

Nul n'est mieux placé que soit même pour connaitre ses propres penchants ... il faut donc choisir voire quitter le sacerdoce si les pulsions sont plus fortes que son engagement ... cela me semble évident non ???


Cordialement, Epsilon

Raistlin a écrit :Vous savez, un prêtre me disait un jour que pour un évêque, ses prêtres sont un peu comme ses enfants. Il y a un sentiment de paternité qui n'excuse rien mais qui peut expliquer que certains évêques aient voulu et cru pouvoir protéger des prêtres. Leur erreur a été de croire que c'étaient des actes isolés qui ne se reproduiraient plus, alors que nous étions sur le terrain d'une vraie pathologie.

JustineF a écrit :Merci pour ce travail d'investigation édifiant. Effectivement, il semblent que toutes les religions soient en cause. Ayons une pensée pour leurs victimes.

JustineF a écrit :

nad a écrit :@ justine

en la matière personne n'a de leçon à donner à personne, pas même vous!

Nad

Je rétablis les faits. Cela dit, on peut penser que le célibat des prêtres est un des éléments poussant les prêtres à commettre des actes pédophiles, mais ce n'est pas l'unique explication.

Bonjour, on vient d'aborder le sujet de la pédophilie avec ce reportage sur Marc Dutroux et son futur procès, puis dans l'actualité à propros du meurtre en prison d'un prêtre pédophile.

Comme on voulait, pour changer, parler du bouddhisme, c'est possible de lier les deux sujets.

Voici un copier-coller d'un message intéressant (d'un forum sur le bouddhisme) :

"J'ai lu en divers endroits que la pédophilie était une pratique très répandue dans les monastères bouddhistes.

Les Bouddhistes vont-ils avoir le courage, comme l'ont fait les catholiques d'oser enfin reconnaître la vérité?

voir par exemple ici :

[lien]

"The bit someone wrote about Tibetan monks having sexual relations with
young monks in some large monastaries is probably more acurate -
I've certainly heard many Tibetans make remarks about this on many
occasions.
In some monastaries young monks share a rooms with older
monks and ii that sitruation it's probably not surprising that this
sort of thing goes on."

cfynn@dircon.co.uk

ou encore ici :

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Même des tulkous célèbres comme Chogyam Trungpa ont révélé avoir été violé par des moines lorsqu'ils étaient enfants au
monastère...

"It just so happens that I take pedophilia seriously -- having been a victim of it myself. I also happen to know, from first-hand accounts, that young Tibetan monks are sometimes sexually abused by older Tibetan monks -- and that INCLUDES TULKUS. For example, in the early seventies Trungpa Rinpoche told some of his close friends that he and other young Tulkus in Freda Bedi's Young Lama's Home were sexually molested by older monks. (And yet we wonder why certain of those survivors were--and still are--so given to sexual excesses!)"

konchog@radix.net

any comment? "

Ou encore :

""On peut lire dans "Sexualités bouddhiques: entre désir et réalité" , Bernard
Faure, Ed. Le Mail, de tels propos sur la pédophilie dans le bouddhisme.

On peut aussi penser que la situation de la femme dans un bouddhisme
hiérarchisé, monastique et patriarchal a pu engendrer de telles dérives.
June Campbell a développé ce propos dans "Travelers in space" où elle décrit
sa longue relation sexuelle et cachée avec le moine Kalu Rinpoche. Cette
situation de la femme peut-elle aussi expliqué certains comportements , que
l'on attribut au tantrisme, mais qui s'avère pour plusieurs femmes de
simples abus sexuels. Les divers et récents scandales ne manquent pas dans
le bouddhisme, tout comme dans le catholicisme et même l'hindouisme.

Pensons à Sogyal Rimpoche qui a payé 3 millions US à une femme qui
l'accusait d'abus sexuels (en l995) ou a Chogyam Trugpa qui souffrait
d'alcoolisme et de donjuanisme. Son successeur tant qu'à lui donna le Sida à
plusieurs de ses disciples mâles.
La vérité doit être dite et non plus cachée.

ÉTATS-UNIS – Des temples bouddhiques accusés de protéger des moines pédophiles


L'Eglise catholique n'est pas la seule à être confrontée aux scandales pédophiles. Selon une enquête du journal américain The Chicago Tribune, des temples bouddhiques américains sont également accusés de couvrir les pratiques de moines coupables d'abus sexuels sur des enfants.

Le quotidien américain relate l'histoire d'une fillette de 13 ans victime d’attouchements sexuels de la part d'un moine d’un temple de Chicago. Sa famille a signalé l'abus aux autres moines du temple pour que le coupable soit expulsé de l'organisation religieuse. Les moines ont alors affirmé que le coupable "a reconnu ce qu’il a fait" et allait rentrer en Thaïlande. Mais, onze ans après l'affaire, le moine officie toujours en Californie et est accusé dans une autre affaire de pédophilie. La victime a finalement décidé de porter plainte, devant l'inertie des moines bouddhistes.

Et cette affaire n'est pas un cas isolé. Le journaliste explique en effet que, dans de nombreux cas d'abus sexuel, les moines bouddhistes accusés ont le temps de quitter le pays avant d'être inquiété par la justice. "Les temples gèrent les plaintes comme bon leur semble, car ils ne dépendent d’aucune autorité ecclésiastique extérieure. Et comme les moines sont considérés comme indépendants, les temples assurent n’avoir aucun contrôle sur ce qu’ils font après. Ceux qui sont jugés coupables [par leurs pairs] peuvent faire leur sac et aller dans un autre temple, au grand dam des victimes, de la justice et des autres moines", explique le Chicago Tribune.

UPI Religion Correspondent

July 2002

WASHINGTON, (UPI) -- Sex between clergymen and boys is by no means a uniquely Catholic phenomenon, a noted American scholar said Wednesday -- it's been going on in Buddhist monasteries in Asia for centuries.

"Of course, this is against the Buddhist canon," Leonard Zwilling of the University of Wisconsin in Madison told United Press International, "but it has been common in Tibet, China, Japan and elsewhere."

"In fact, when the Jesuits arrived in China and Japan in the 16th century, they were horrified by the formalized relationships between Buddhist monks and novices who were still children. These relationships clearly broke the celibacy rule," said Zwilling, who has written extensively about this topic for more than three decades, and was one of the first to do so.

Zwilling, who holds a doctoral degree in Buddhist studies said in a telephone interview this practice continued until well into 20th century.

Although the Buddha clearly proscribed sex of any kind in monasteries, "we know of incidents where members of the Bob-Dob, an order enforcing discipline among Tibetan monks, fought each other over boys," continued Zwilling.

"They clobbered each other with huge keys that were the tools of their trade. We also know that generations of Dalai Lamas had their 'favorites,' although we have no proof that these relationships were sexual."

Other studies show that Buddhist monks in Japan practiced a non-sexual form of "pedophilia" as long ago as the 10th century, according to Minnesota-based Ralph Underwager, a pastor, psychologist and one of the world's leading experts on child abuse.

In an interview with Paidika, a scholarly journal specializing in the phenomenon, Underwager and his associate Hollida Wakefield pointed out that "the concept of Platonic love as an asexual affection is describing pedophilia."

Underwager and Wakefield explained that the Greek philosophers Socrates, Plato, Sophocles, Aristotle, the playwright Aristophanes and the statesman-soldier Alcibiades "all claimed that love motivated pedophilia."

But if they did, it wasn't in the sense of sex.

According to Zwilling, monks having engaged in "sex with penetration and ejaculation" face expulsion from the Sangha, the monastic order that along with the Buddha and the Dharma (teaching) is part of Buddhism's three-fold refuge.

"This is true whether a monk has broken his vow of chastity with a woman, a man or a child," Zwilling said. "The punishment will be less severe if there were no penetration or ejaculation."

In that case, the offender would only be disciplined, perhaps demoted in rank, but not evicted from the monastery, the scholar explained.

"Actually, pedophilia is hardly mentioned in Buddhism's canonical writings," he went on. "I have only come across one passage describing the fate of a man who loved boys. He went to hell and came to a river filled with acid -- and boys swimming it. They were in agony.

"Out of his love for the children, the man jumped in -- and had to suffer their pain."

Peter A. Jackson, a renowned Australian researcher on Buddhism, has pointed out that in this faith all forms of sexuality and desire must be transcended in order to attain the religious goal of the extinction of suffering.

Citing the Vinaya, Theravada Buddhism's monastic code of conduct, Jackson wrote, "Whichever monk has sexual intercourse is ... a defeated one, and will not find communion (in the Sangha)."

The Vinaya is very explicit in condemning sexual misconduct, including auto-sodomy (one of its chapters is titled,

"The Case of the Monk with a Long Penis"). It does not single out homosexuality, though, which is treated as a third gender in ancient Buddhist writings, said Zwilling.

However, the Vinaya does relate that already some 2,500 years ago, the outrageous behavior of one "pandaka" (homosexual, in Pali, the sacred language of Theravada Buddhism), has prompted the Buddha to ban the ordination of such men.

The story reads thus:

"The pandaka had been ordained in a residence of monks. He went to the young monks and encouraged them thus, 'Come all of you and assault me.'

"The monks spoke aggressively, 'Pandaka, you will surely be ... spiritually destroyed. Of what benefit will it be?" ...

He went to some large, stout novices and encouraged them thus, 'Come all of you and assault me.'

The novices spoke, 'Pandaka, you will surely be destroyed. Of what benefit will it be?'

"The pandaka then went to men who tend elephants and horses and spoke to them thus. 'Come all of you and assault me.' The men who tend elephants and horses assaulted him.

"The Blessed One then ordered the monks, 'Behold monks, a pandaka is one who is not to be ordained, ... and (pandakas) who have already been ordained must be made to disrobe.'"

According to Zwilling, homosexual behavior may not land a Buddhist layman in hell. That kind of fate is reserved for adulterers and rapists. On the other hand, a homosexual orientation is an extended form of punishment for those who in a previous life have committed such sins.

Prasok, a celebrated Thai newspaper columnist writing on Buddhism, related that this was the fate of the Buddha's personal attendant, Phra Ananda.

Wrote Prasok, "The reason he was born a kathoey (Thai for homosexual) was because in a previous life he had committed the sin of adultery. This led him to stew in hell for tens of thousands of years.

"After he was freed from hell, a portion of his old karma still remained and led him to being reborn as kathoey for many hundreds of lives."

While this may sound a rather severe punishment for a sexual transgression, Buddhism may have something even worse in store for an unfaithful husband, Zwilling told UPI: "He could be reborn as a woman."

Know This
U.S. Theravada Buddhist Temples accused of harboring pedophile monk

Patricia Jane | August 23, 2011 at 03:27 pm

On Sunday, a group of protesters gathered at the Wat Dhammaram Theravada Buddhist temple, Southwest Side Chicago, after a report that a former monk at the temple, Camong Boa-Ubol, had sexually assaulted two girls, impregnating one of them.

According to the report, the family of one of the girls–a 12 year-old–reported the incident to the Wat Dhammaram temple in 2000. The family was told that the monk would be returned to Thailand but it soon became known that the pedophile monk is still serving in Wat Buddhavipassana in Long Beach, California, where it is alleged that he still has access to young children.

The protesters were members of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP). They handed out fliers and held up signs and placards, one of which read: “Children molested at this temple.”

According to Barbara Blaine president of SNAP:

We hope this temple will make the protection of children their priority, not the protection of grown men who are supposed spiritual leaders who violate their trust and rape teenage girls…We want any other victims to know as painful as it is, it is safe to come forward. They no longer need to be kept in secrecy and shame.

Shortly after the protest at Wat Dhammmaram, another group of protesters gathered outside the Wat Buddhavipassana temple in California. They were addressed by the head monk who promised to consult with the leadership of the temple in Chicago. The protesters distributed fliers to members and visitors at the temple. One of the protesters, Esther Miller, said:

We want families to know about a potentially dangerous predator who is assigned here at this temple…We’ve had a couple of parents march right in there with our fliers.

The Buddhist monk’s pedophile abuses became known publicly last year when another woman in Chicago area filed a law-suit alleging that the monk had been sexually assaulting her since she was 14. According to the woman, she became pregnant a year after the assault began.

But, according to the Chicago Tribune, the monk Boa-Ubol, reacting to the allegations against him, said that “he had contact” with the one of the girls “by accident,” but he denied having “accidental contact” with any other girl.

The head of the monks at Wat Dhammram, Boonshoo Sriburin, has explained that under the structure of the Theravada temples in the U.S., Boa-Ubol was free to continue as a monk. The head monk said that Boa-Ubol “chose” not to inform the temple in California about the allegations of child sex abuse against him in Chicago. The head monk said: “We have no authority to do anything… He has his own choice to live anywhere”.

Raistlin a écrit :Mais je vous rejoins sur l'essentiel : un prêtre pédophile est un scandale. C'est un contre-témoignage.

Teano a écrit :Ben oui, comme ça, on pourra toujours dire que s'il est pédophile, c'est la faute à sa bonne femme...

Epsilon a écrit :Voila voila ... il faut que l'Eglise soit sans pitié ... ce qui n'est malheureusement pas le cas mais elle se "soigne".