DavidB a écrit :

BenBornAgain a écrit :C'est une chose d'affirmer que la chute de Saddam Hussein a entraîner une instabilité politique et sociale majeure.
C'en est une autre de désigner les américains comme responsables directs de la mort des chrétiens irakiens!

Sans dire qu'ils sont responsables directs, on peut se demander sincèrement ce que font les USA en Irak et il me semble que si le lien n'est pas direct, c'est quand même la vérité que de dire qu'ils y ont mis plus de m..de qu'autre chose... et que l'une de ces m..des est la monté des persécutions chrétiennes...

DavidB a écrit : C'est certain que quand on a décidé de condamner quelqu'un coute que coute, on trouve les moyens de le perdre...

15.02.03 - Le geste d'un chrétien d'Irak .

Ce samedi 15 février, Michel Yuhann, c'est le nom de baptême et de famille du vice-premier ministre iraquien, Tarek Aziz, un catholique chaldéen de 67 ans, a été se recueillir à Assise, haut lieu de prière pour la paix.

via http://lesalonbeige.blogs.com/my_weblog ... ns-di.html

Les chrétiens d'Irak souhaitent le départ des Américains

Monseigneur Georges Casmoussa, archevêque catholique syriaque de Mossoul, en Irak, était de passage à Paris, ambassadeur involontaire et malheureux des frères chrétiens, aujourd'hui persécutés dans leur propre pays :

"Les chrétiens irakiens subissent-ils une purification religieuse?
On peut dire cela, dans certains quartiers de Bagdad et de Bassorah, par exemple. L'assassinat terrible de Mgr Rahho n'a toutefois pas suscité la panique que l'on craignait. Il a même conforté la foi des chrétiens, qui ont vu en lui un vrai martyr de la foi. Pour nous, c'est un non-sens de tuer au nom de Dieu, le père des hommes. [...]

Vous êtes-vous tournés, vous et les autres chrétiens d'Irak, vers les Américains afin de leur demander d'améliorer votre sécurité?
Nous ne voulons pas de leur protection, parce qu'elle représente un danger pour nous et parce que je n'y crois pas. L'armée américaine ne nous apporté que du gâchis et du terrorisme. Où est la démocratie que George Bush prétendait importer ici? Je préfère la protection des Irakiens musulmans qui vivent à nos côtés. Un occupant, quel qu'il soit, doit finir par rentrer chez lui."

BenBornAgain a écrit :C'est une chose d'affirmer que la chute de Saddam Hussein a entraîner une instabilité politique et sociale majeure.
C'en est une autre de désigner les américains comme responsables directs de la mort des chrétiens irakiens!

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"No one is defending us," he said March 13, the day the archbishop's body was recovered after kidnappers said where they had buried him. "They are killing Christians because they are Christians."

Bishop Ibrahim said the Feb. 29 kidnapping and subsequent death of the archbishop threw into question the destiny of Christians in Iraq. Three of the archbishop's companions were killed in the kidnapping.

"We know that before the invasion of the Americans in Iraq, (terrorism) was no such a thing," Bishop Ibrahim said. "Christians and Muslims were living together, exactly like brothers and sisters, and that's it. But since the invasion, everything changes."

"Somebody has to be responsible," the bishop said. "Since the Americans are occupying Iraq, they have the responsibility of the security of every Iraqi, and in the first place minorities. I am not saying the Christians only -- but they are doing nothing for them."

In a statement March 13, Bush expressed his condolences to the Chaldean community and Iraqis and deplored the archbishop's death.

"The terrorists will continue to lose in Iraq because they are savage and cruel," he said. "Their utter disregard for human life, demonstrated by this murder and by recent suicide attacks against innocent Iraqis in Baghdad and innocent pilgrims celebrating a religious holiday, is turning the Iraqi people against them.

"We will continue to work with the Iraqi government to protect and support civilians, irrespective of religious affiliation," he said.

Around the world, Catholic leaders expressed sorrow and alarm and spoke of the archbishop as a martyr.

"We find it inconceivable that internal, regional and international efforts could not have prevented this tragic fate," said Chaldean Bishop Michel Kassarji of Beirut, Lebanon.

"We hope that this new sacrifice offered by the Iraqi Christians will be the last martyr, and we hope that the murder of this bishop strikes the alarm and wakens the consciences of leaders of Iraq and the region to do their utmost to stop the waves of extremism overwhelming the region. Our aim is the free and safe presence of the Christians in Iraq, Lebanon and the Middle East," he said.

Chaldean Archbishop Djibrail Kassab of the Eparchy of St. Thomas the Apostle of Sydney, Australia, said lawlessness in Iraq, "from kidnapping, extortion, murder, to forcing the Chaldeans to flee their country" is not new. The bishop said the Chaldean Catholic Church truly "can be called a martyr church."

"This is something we can be proud of," added the bishop, who formerly served as archbishop of Basra, Iraq. "In these days when faith needs to be stronger, we are in need of strong men and saintly martyrs to refresh our faith in our hearts and renew the life of the church."

The president of the Australian Catholic Bishops' Conference, Archbishop Philip Wilson of Adelaide, said March 14: "Such senseless killing is always shocking and inflicts a deep wound on our shared humanity. Our prayers are with the people of Iraq who continue to suffer so much."

In a letter to Cardinal Emmanuel-Karim Delly of Baghdad, patriarch of the Chaldean Catholic Church, Cardinal Francis E. George of Chicago, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, called the killing "callous" and said it "demonstrates the particularly harsh realities faced by Christians in Iraq and the lack of security faced by all Iraqis." Cardinal Adam J. Maida of Detroit also expressed "profound shock and sorrow" following the archbishop's death.

The news that the archbishop was killed could force Iraqi Christians underground, said Iraqi Christians in Need, a British-based charity aiding Christian Iraqis.

Suha Rassam, spokeswoman for the charity, said, "The only way for the church in the Mosul area to survive might be if it goes underground, like it did in the first and second centuries. This way, Mass and other services would be held in secret, and priests go about their duties clandestinely."

In a March 13 statement, Rassam said an underground church is not a "situation anyone would want, but the Christian population is living each day in terror of being kidnapped or murdered."

"When the church is facing persecution of this magnitude, then desperate measures might have to be taken," she said.

"Over the last eight months, attacks on Christians have been escalating," she said. "In June Father Ragheed Aziz Ganni and three deacons were murdered, two priests were kidnapped in October, and in January four churches and a convent were bombed."

John Pontifex, London-based media officer of the Catholic charity Aid to the Church in Need, which helps persecuted Christians, said that "firsthand reports given by bishops, priests and laypeople" show that "Christians are now terrified, and this sad news will simply speed up the rate of emigration, which in turn could cause Christianity to be extinguished from the country."

"The martyrdom of Archbishop Rahho will send out the clearest possible signal yet that no Christian is safe in Iraq," he said.

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Contributing to this story was Simon Caldwell in London, Doreen Abi Raad in Beirut, Lebanon, and Dan McAloon in Sydney, Australia.

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BenBornAgain a écrit : Msg Sabbah a prononcé de façon répétée des propos antisémites et farouchement pro palestinien pendant des années, s'attirant les foudres du Vatican.

BenBornAgain a écrit :Alors que je vivais en Israël, un de ses collaborateurs proches de l'évêque (un prêtre) qui m'avait pris en stop m'a demandé où j'allais, je lui ai dit que j'allais assister à une conférence sur "Israël et l'Eglise". Il s'est alors emporté et a affirmé entre autre que les juifs et nous n'avons pas le même Dieu...
Et mon constat est que le diocèse de Jérusalem a une ligne politique plus que spirituelle et cela n'est pas sans dommage pour la vie de la foi des catholiques là bas.

BenBornAgain a écrit : Alors en terme d'objectivité et d'orthodoxie, le patriarchat de Jérusalem n'est pas un modèle, loin s'en faut...